Well whats your great Master Plan are you going to get a music licence have your bar sound proofed or are you going to sit back and see if Tommy and the Presidents can do something again.
All the bar owners were asked to form an Association and have regular meetings with the Council to air problems and concerns but as usual you all sat on your arses and did nothing.
The only idiots here are the bar owners

david,
I gather you are doing what you do best and stirring it. Jez is talking about the Mini Fiestas and seeing as these are held in the open, it is hard to sound proof open air, These Fiestas ARE GRANTED by the Council as long as certain criteria are met, to my knowledge the criteria has been met for these, It is just people like you, who go off at a tangent, to try and get your own way, It may be better to read what you try to answer, Anyway Jez ,Yes something needs to be done to sort out this problem, lets go for it

Alan dont you think its strange that it is just in the consum area where all the complaints come from I am all for live entertainment but surely it should be in moderation.We started with the noise in bars this was sorted and the Council agreed on these mini Fiestas but looking from the noise side dont you think the bars and charities have gone overboard,from having one every now and then we have gone to having one nearly every week and dont forget when these mini Fiestas finish more than likely the bar near starts the night with live music and doors do kept being left open and residents nearbye have to put up with the noise from 4 till 12. As i said in my origional posting the bar owners should get together and have regular talks with the Council but invaribly they are more bothered about 1 bar having more customers than the other.

david,
Yes I realise that the Consume Area gets more complaints about noise than any other area.,But I could show you a bar that has music, and its neighbours are nearly all Spanish, and up to this year had never had a complaint, but this year had to turn off the music a number of times, and they believe it is not the neighbours complaining, but certain mischief makers. Consume is by far the biggest area and the position will mean it will always seem noisier than it actually is ,but stopping music in the afternoon is surely not the way forward, I personally do not see that afternoon noise should be a no no. If you also think that Consume Area get almost all of the mini Fiestas,it doesn't even get a decent share of them. and lets be fair, you surely aint serious in your complaint about them, Because if you are you must be a wow moaning at the Council with there Rubbish Lorry and its squeaky brakes

Just a thought......How is it that other areas bars clubs etc are still putting on "live music" etc and in the open air but nothing is said about it, maybe the moaners / complainers go to those places for there enjoyment as its not in "there back yard".

A message via a friend of mine:

I have just spoken to the Town Hall to clarify the situation with the entertainment on La Marina Urbanisation.

The problem is just in the area of Consum Square and the road below. This is purely because of the high number of complaints received by nearby residents.

There is a meeting on 16th June for all bar owners in the Consum Square area with the Town Hall where everything will be explained to them and they can work on a way forward.

All other areas on the Urbanisation have the same rules as before and are allowed an outdoor fiesta through the Town Hall once a month as long as they have all documentation pertaining to their opening licences.

I have not taken it upon myself to be a spokesperson, just get fed up when I see someone post something and it gets out of control and everyone panics!

Can I please suggest that, rather than just post something on here and setting the rumour mill in motion, can you find out the facts first? There is no point anyone getting stressed out over something when they may not know the full story.

Having just read the latest posts about the music in La Marina we can only comment about how sad we feel about the recent closure of live music on our urb. Today we have returned from La Florida where we spent a lovely afternoon in the sun in the middle of a large housing estate. The occasion was the Coastrider MUSIC awards. An excess of 200 people sat in the sun who listened to live artists, English and Spanish. Without wishing to sound biased we saw some of the best artists on the Costa Blanca receive awards for being THE best on the Costa Blanca. What a pity these artists are unable to share their talents because there are an odd few that want to put a stop to it all. Congratulations to everyone that walked away with a fabulous trophy today. After today's conversations It is understandable why everyone is looking to work outside La Marina. It's worrying!!!!

Well David, let me tell you that NO bar owner on the urb sits on their arse and does nothing, we have fought tooth and nail to get music and as far as I am aware the Fiestas are legal as long as we stick to the rules, Our Fiesta is cancelled at cost to us all, even though we have stamped approval from the town hall. Linda, we are fully aware of the situation and yes Consum square is being singled out, there are probably more complaints but there are more bars, If you don't like 3 hours of music and people enjoying themselves, go down the beach and have a meal. We cant have the odd few spoiling it for the majority. Anyway David your stupid comments don't help anyone, so if you don't have anything of value to say, continue to sit on your arse and let us get on with trying to make a living, There will be a petition in all the bars for the meeting on the 16th, please sign it. However we have had several of these meetings in the past and Linda what they say and what they do are two different things, We can only keep trying to provide the odd few hours of fun and entertainment for people on the Urb, PLEASE support us all.

can I also suggest that that people let the bar owners get on with sorting things out as the information posted on here is inaccurate, We are allowed to have three fiestas a year between certain months and we are trying to find out the laws etc, the bar owners are hoping to for a committee with legal representation. Its best left to the people it affects to sort things out as people getting involved really doesn't help. ANYWAY, please sign the petition as this is a start. Thank you

Linda,
Glad you have talked to the Town Hall, and apparently you now have the correct info. would you like to tell us who you spoke to it would be good to know where they got the information from, I think it was general knowledge about a Council/bar Owner meeting. But to say that Bars except the ones around the Consume Areas can carry on with the monthly mini Fiestas, because the Fiestas in the Consume areas are generating too many complaints is so hypocritical as to be unbelievable, I imagine that all these mini Fiestas generate somewhere near the same amount of noise, but the people living around the Consume area are entitled to special treatment, I truly hope that what you was told was by someone spreading a rumour, Because if it was by someone in the know then we the residents of La Marina Urbs really do have a problem, with the way this area is being controlled by the Council

Sorry, I did not find the information out direct, I am only the messenger forwarding to the correct information on.

I will always support the local mini fiestas and the local bars and restaurants and everyone I have attended i have watched and photographed people enjoying themselves and that is what life is all about.

I for one will definitely sign the petition, why should the minority spoil it for the majority - and is that a democratic vote?

Out of curiosity will the moaners / complainers present their case at the meeting next week?

No Linda of course they will not, as in all reality they do not have a case to argue for.
I don't think 'I cant stand people enjoying themselves, While I want them to be as miserable as me' would win them any argument

Alan n confirm that it is just Consum square. its sad but true

First of all, let us have a few facts. In February last year, we had a petition which was signed by over 1200 people. We also had a meeting at the Cultural Centre, where I suggested to the bars present that they form their own association. This was met with a silent response, although someone said that the bar owners would not have time to do all this. I understood that, so I suggested that I would be prepared to act as a liaison between the bars and the Town Hall. This was also met with a silent response.
You commented that there had been several meetings in the past, and 'what they say and what they do are two different things' I assume you are referring to the guidelines which were set out, which the Town Hall deemed a success last summer. In your following post, you have suggested that non bar owners should not get involved, and we should leave it to the people who are affected. Whatever goes on, on this Urbanisation affects ALL of us, not just you.
When we had the meeting with the Valencian delegate, I pointed out to him that if we had no music or entertainment, the knock on effect would hit everyone, as we would all suffer from the consequences. If there is no entertainment, this will affect tourism, which in turn will affect house sales, shops, doctors, nurses etc, the list is endless. He agreed and this is how we came up with the guidelines. The trial period is now over, and unfortunately, the National police are becoming more involved. They are here all the time now and they have the power to go over the Town Halls head.
I have no political bias to anyone, but this current administration has done more for La Marina than any previous administration.
From your comments it appears that you are leading the way for all the bars. I wish you the very best of luck.

The problem is we all applied for permission for mini fiestas which were granted and stamped as approved, dates set and acts booked, tables booked posters printed,,,,,then NO you cant have them, Who pays the cost, the bar owners. I agree we need music etc and it does affect everyone in one way or another. The rules are changed all the time and no one knows whats going on. I agree we do need to get together but most have little time and just come across endless rule changes. But we will have a go. Even today I have several different opinions and when I go to the town hall I get another one.

Whilst I agree there should be more live entertainment it could be that the complaints about to much noise is the fault of the artist for having the amplifiers up to high. If the bar owners could restrain the artists from playing to loud maybe they could enjoy more live entertainment. I cannot understand why the music is so loud when you are entertaining in a small area. I hope for the sake of live entertainment this could be taken on board by the bar owners. Colin

Colin you just hit the nail fair and square on the head. Sorry every one but most Bars do not use any kind of equipment to help safeguard themselves. Most entertainers, not all very many turn up the sound, as the evening goes on, and Bar owners are not aware as to how much over the top it is Gadgets to check are cheep enough just have a look here http://www.gamasl.co.uk/club-sound-meters.html Bar owners need to learn to take control of there own situation. At the moment they just go by what kind of seems to be OK. Keep in mind we do not wont to lose the right to have live entertainers here on the Urb

Maybe the best thing to do, is to close all the bars, drive away all those who want an enjoyable time in Spain, to other Urbs with inhabitants that like to live a bit. The ones that are left can sit in the sun, in complete silence, until they snuff it from drinking too much cheap supermarket beer and wine or boredom or both! Another option would be for the moaners to move to the middle of a field somewhere instead, but I guess if they did, it wouldn’t be long before they start moaning about each other.

I think you all should look at why there are complaints in the consum area.Most of the complaints are from property owners who bought there properties before the consum area was built.They lived in a peaceful and tranquil area and then the consum area was built no doubt they welcomed the supermarket but not the bars, once this area was up and running there properties were devalued, as we tell everyone dont buy property near a bar because of possibility of loud noise.I think it would be in the best interest of the Bar Owners the Council and the Complainents to have a meeting together and try to come to some amicable agreement that would suit all parties concerned. If this is not sorted it could have a knock on effect for all music on the Urbanisation and we dont want that to happen.I only hope that sense will prevail and the bar owners put compromise before profit.

This is my last comment on this, most of the bars try their best to limit the noise. Fimal Whistle for one put down all their screens and close doors and I have been in there when they tell an artist to lower the volume. But I agree there are just a few bars in the Consum area that make far too much noise. I was amazed last night when one bar openly had a live band on the terrace ( quickly closed down by the police) others run Crapioki with the doors open and spoil it for everyone. As bar owners we need to respect people living close but also need to provide a service. AND we don't make loads of profits, its hard work and long hours, But our last fiesta was a great event with people dancing etc. Our fiesta which was cancelled was early evening and I cant believe would have disturbed many people.

I would not dream of phoning the police about the music from the mini-fiestas. I don't drink in the afternoon and , what other people do is their business but, i must say that the last mini-fiesta the music was exceptionally loud. I live quite a way up from the Consum square and it was drowning out the television programme i was watching so a little consideration for others is all it takes. What people seem to forget is, that the times these fiestas are on are the "Spanish siesta time". You are expecting Spanish people to break with tradition.

Caroline
Yes thoroughly agree Siesta time for Spain is normal. So lets stop the mini fiestas, and in place of it eating late and partying late is also a Spanish normality, so perhaps the ex-pats should stop moaning about bar sounds as early as 5pm and some times as late as 9.45pm. This is Spain do as te Spanish do. lets party all night every night we always can ave a Siestas during the day.
Just a thought

I like the sound of that, remind the moaning expatiates that this Spain and this what THEY do, its not little La Marina Britain.